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Doug Foskey
26th June 2011, 00:07
Hi,
I am an Electronics Technician of senior years (but not to retirement age yet), who has bought a Hummer 5Kw wind turbine direct from China. I did search the web before purchase, but unfortunately did not find your site. I live near Byron Bay, NSW, Australia.
My System is 5Kw Hummer, with Hummer Rectifier, Hummer (Chinese Siemans PLC) controller, & due to Australian regulations, a Power-one Aurora 6Kw wind inverter. The kit is mounted on a Hummer supplied 13M hinged tower, with a Hummer supplied Ram & pump.
Now to the issues (of course there are issues: hopefully they can be resolved.)
-Noise: the unit is incredibly noisy. This is not helped by the incorrect data for the MPPT table being supplied by Hummer. In a 5m/s wind, it is currently making 62dbA of noise, caused by the transfer of vibration to the tower which tends to resonate with the vibration (so the tower is not matched properly to the head)

- Earth Leakage Fault. Yet to be really investigated. (seems intermittent to make it easy to find!)

- Electric hydraulic pump: This is one to watch for, because it may happen to others: The shuttle valve in the hydraulic direction valve was sticky. I found this when after a few ups & downs, the ram stuck half way up. Extremely disconcerting to say the least, & of course it was nearly dark when it happened! Next day I had to release the overpressure valve (under the plastic cap below the hydraulic valve). This let the mast slowly lower to the ground. On investigation, I found the shuttle in the control valve was sticky. I polished the valve body by pulling a rag through it, & dressed the edges of the valve with a fine diamond lap (to remove burrs). After resetting the overpressure valve (by setting it while pumping the tower up, but with the restrictors almost closed, the O/P valve can be set to the correct pressure)

-24v supply in the head: seems to fail after a few days running (as in shuts down) Powering off, then on after a time resets it. I am not enamoured with the design of this section: 240v AC up the stick does not seem good practice to me. I have a spare 24V supply coming.

-bugs: as if there were not enough bugs in the system, I was attacked by real ones! This was unbelievable: seemingly millions of insects we call stink bugs. When I take the tower down next, I will be fitting an insect proof cage around the power supply & switching relays. I think everything else will be OK if the little buggers get in again!

-MPPT: I need to reset the MPPT table in the inverter to try to reduce the noise, that I hope is coming from Blade stall. I have purchased a RS232>485 interface (not worth building now: less than $10 from Hong Kong)

-Controller issues: everything seems to be working OK, but after reading Cor van Houtum“s messages, I think I need to trim the controller parameters somewhat. I will also need to make some Overvoltage Crow Barring protection. Could someone please point me to the details of what is required for the protection & programming? I am also a Linux user, so would love to hear from someone who has got the Windows programs running under Wine: trhe windows emulator in Linux. I can use Windoze, but prefer Linux.

General:
I think the system seems to be reasonably well built, but could be improved. I actually sent (to Hummer) an edited version of the hydraulic raising & lowering procedure because I felt someone could be hurt by the lack of safety instructions sent with the Hydraulic system. (I can send these to others who can use/modify them, but at the users risk if others would like to view my re-write).

regards Doug

Rob Beckers
26th June 2011, 08:12
Hi Doug,

Welcome to Green Power Talk!
A couple of things: Sent me an E-mail and I'll forward you a document (PDF) Power-One wrote on tracking down ground faults. The MPPT curve I've been programming into Aurora inverters for 5kW Hummers was as follows:

Volt Watt Out
80 0
100 90
110 200
140 600
224 2500
280 4850
300 6000

Vstart = 80 Volt
Pramp = 10,000 Watt/sec
Tprot = 240 sec.

I don't know how well this works for your Hummer; it would need to have the same alternator/voltage and rotor diameter (this one is meant for a 6.4m diameter turbine). My business doesn't sell Hummers, we are a distributor for Power-One inverters.

Lastly, make sure you have a dumpload of sufficient size to keep it under control when you have a storm and the grid falls away (so no grid load on the turbine). I just talked to someone who had a Hummer, until it ran away during a storm. Judging from the fried surge arrestors the voltage must have exceeded 1000V AC phase-to-phase. It burned out the controller, then self-destructed. Bits of blades were found in a wide area.

-RoB-

Cor van Houtum
11th July 2011, 15:22
Hello Doug,

Hummer noise is normal , this is comming from the generator
this is a single phase generator and very noisy
this is no blade related thing
fill up the top of the tower with sand this wll do the trick for 25%
not with foam or other stuff just sand
this makes the tower dead
do not forget to put your cables in a pipe

riso errors
the powersupply in the generator is powered true the grid and also insite the controller by the generator
when the grid failes the motors get power by the generator
this makes the riso errors
use a small isolation transformer between the grid and the controller

Cor van Houtum
11th July 2011, 15:39
this 5kw generator can do 7kw easy
more then your aurora can handle
in strong winds (gusting)this will lead to overvoltage
the yaw motor is not fast enough to prevent spinning up to high
use a voltage measurement relays and protect the system with a parallel dumpload
just double the load together with the hummer factory dump
I mean that you should make a second dump system appart from the existing hummer system
and let it dump on the ac site of the generator output


good luck

Cor

Cor van Houtum
11th July 2011, 15:50
I have seen more then 1000 volts on this system
so be carefull this is a widdow maker
more then 7kw on more then 1kv when the turbine is on the loose
I have still 5 pcs in stock and can not sell them here because of noise
you need a real remote location to put this thing up
or deaf neighbours

David Coles
12th July 2011, 18:09
Hi Cor,

I too have a 5kW Hummer and wish to reduce the tower resonance noise. I know from loudspeaker building experience that a couple of inches of dry loose sand in the bottom of the cabinet does wonders so the sand in the tower idea seems obvious.

How is the sand located in the top of the tower which tapers outward from the top down and does the extra weight affect the hydraulic lifting system?
thanks
Dave