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Joe Blake
6th January 2015, 22:15
Been a long time coming ...

During my electronics apprenticeship in the mid 1960s I was introduced to the concept of photovoltaic power and once I grasped the potential of this power (pardon the pun) I had a thought in my mind that I'd like (a) a vehicle which was solar powered and (b) a house which generated all its electricity from the sun.

Several years ago I achieved the first of these with a brace of solar assisted recumbent tricycles.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j245/saxeharp/house/trikes02_zps15485cb6.jpg

On 24 December 2014 I achieved the second goal with the commissioning of a solar hybrid power system, which takes me (virtually) off-grid. I say "virtually" as I am still connected to the grid and under the Western Australian Government's Renewable Energy Buyback Scheme (REBS) I have a contract with the utility Western Power to sell my excess power, and if needs be I can import power to charge the batteries of the system. To date (7 January 2015) I have exported roughly 37 units (kWh) and imported a single unit. The day I imported the unit the temperature at my back yard digital weather station peaked at 45 degrees C. My air conditioner, a small wheel-around refrigerated unit, struggled but managed to keep the indoor temperature down to a comfortable 26 degrees. The necessity to import power came when I ran the aircon after sunset, and the batteries took up the load.

Those who know me will not be surprised that I now produce a graph.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j245/saxeharp/house/impvexp_zpsb7d800e2.jpg

It shows how much power I imported and exported since Jun 2013.

So what have I got?

In June 2009, I installed 5x210 watt SunPower PV Panels ($7,720) and one Kaco Powador 1501xi grid connected inverter ($2,275). Total cost including installation and delivery, $12,570. There were various government subsidies involved, but they have mostly disappeared, so I'll ignore them for present purposes. Several months later I installed a further 3 PV Panels, bringing the capacity of the PVs up to 1,600 watts, the capacity of the inverter. (3x$1,454 plus installation.) Estimated cost including GST $5,500

In June 2013, I installed a duplicate system consisting of WSP 260P6 Poly 260 panels ($557.20 each) plus a Kaco Powador 2002 1.65kW inverter, with $1,000 installation. Cost including GST roughly $5,900

In July 2014 I began moving to install a hybrid solar/grid system which consisted of batteries and inverter. The inverter is SP Pro 24v 2.8kW and the batteries were 12 x 67OPzV420. I also had a powder coated metal box to store the batteries and keep them away from prying fingers and screwdrivers. The estimated capacity of the batteries is 453 Amp Hours at 24 volts. Due to ongoing technical issues final cost is not settled yet, but the batteries were $4,620 and the inverter $5,033.60. Installation is still to calculated, as is that of the box, but a rough quote (for the box) was about $1,800. (About the size of a medium sized chest freezer it doubles as a light duty work table.)

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j245/saxeharp/house/chest_zpscf8afa4f.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j245/saxeharp/house/batteries_zps5da25fae.jpg

If you look at the bottom of the central inverter, you can see a black rod pointing downwards, a wireless antenna which links to my desktop computer so I can read instantly the state of play.

The inverter/controller is a gorgeous piece of tech wizardry which is supposed to do all sorts of things. However, I'm still learning the ropes with the software but from my initial experience it seems that the power from the panels goes into the SP Pro and is allocated as the user desires via settings. Generally, the priorities are to send sufficient power to the domestic circuit, followed by charge the batteries, then any excess goes to the grid and is sold sold under REBS

The technical issue I mentioned previously is that the initial Kaco inverter is (as I understand it) too old to communicate to the SP Pro, so therefore the SP cannot "manage" this power in the same way as it does with the newer Kaco. As it stands this "invisible" power is still used by the domestic circuit, but cannot directly charge the batteries. However, it appears that the invisible power frees up power from the new Kaco system which can go to the batteries or grid as required.

In summer time this is not a huge problem as there is an excess of solar power and when the batteries are on"float" (ie fully charged) several times during the day the system can be momentarily observed cutting the feed so as not to exceed the maximum AC voltage (265 volts) going to the grid. The practical difficulty is that, despite the fact it is sitting on the western side of the roof, the older system generates more power earlier in the day than the eastern panels. In summer time the (eastern) panels are shaded by a tree, but there is no benefit in cutting it back since the sun is at such a low angle it's pretty well irrelevant. When the sun is in the west, those panels are shaded by a tree so power cuts off at about 16:30 hours or so. Since the shade also affects my neighbour's panels we are in discussion as to what action to take about this shading. (He's considering installing a hybrid solar as well, but his planning is still under way.) In practical terms the western shading means that I have to turn the aircon off when this happens, otherwise it starts dragging power from the batteries while there is still lots of daylight.

However, in winter time, I suspect I will need the older inverter's input, but that remains to be seen. The shading by trees is mitigated as the sun moves to the north and goes into a shallower angle, so those two factors may cancel themselves out. I also have to bear in mind that during winter, I have about a fortnight or so worth of (random) days when I have to boost the solar hot water system. (I have a gas stove to heat water if it becomes absolutely necessary.)

There are a couple of options for the suppliers to take. ("Avant Solar" to give them a plug.) Firstly, to leave as is. At the moment I'm living with not (except for a solitary example) importing any power, even during the hottest of hot days to date (Jan and Feb are the traditional hot time of the year) and yet the house does not get uncomfortably warm. Secondly, is to buy an up-to-date inverter. (Whether I can resell or trade the old one in depends on a review by the Federal government.) Thirdly, seek out a way of upgrading the older inverter.

The government review is that into the Renewable Energy Target ("RET"). Without going into the politics there has been a look at the RET which currently is to see 20% of all energy generated in this country generated renewably. At present it seems that all renewable generation equipment is supposed to be new. If, as is expected, the RET is changed, then there may be a market for second-hand inverters and panels. I'm leaning towards gambling on the foreseen change happening and buying a new inverter and reselling the old one. Time will tell if it's a good bet.

So how is it performing at this moment? For me the figures speak for themselves. Cost. I look at it like this. Totalling up all the purchase and installation costs, over 6 years, I've outlaid roughly the price of a 2014 Subaru Forester ($31,000?). I have no running costs, smaller depreciation, I'm using it 24 hours per day instead of it sitting in the garage or in a parking bay chewing up money, it saves (even makes) me money instead of costing, it's easy on the environment, it can still be very useful if I decide to buy a hybrid car. (The batteries for an electric car can be used to store excess energy.)

Oh, and in the event of the grid going down due to lightning strike or fire or whatever, I'll be able to carry on as normal, except probably a line of people at my front door wanting to borrow a cup of electrons, or recharge their smart phone or whatever. :bigsmile:


I've imported a single unit of power since Dec 24 2014. On the morning of the absolute worst day, the state of charge (SoC) of the batteries was down to 55%. On a normal day, before the eastern panels begin to charge the batteries, the SoC is roughly 60%. My current settings are such that if the battery DOES need to be recharged other than renewably, I can take power from the grid during "off peak" and get a much reduced price for that power. (14.59 cents per unit as opposed to about 49 cents during "peak" time.) And what's best is I haven't (as yet) needed to change my pattern of consumption. On a good day, such as today, to add 0.1% to the SoC takes under 30 seconds. Under a heavy load, it can take nearly 2 minutes. That is without the input from the older inverter.

Winter, except for the boosting of the solar hot water system, will probably be on the plus side of the ledger since as of the last 6 winters I've not needed to use any artificial heating because the house is well insulated.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j245/saxeharp/house/quickview_zps159536b1.jpg

The front panel shows a quick view of the state of proceedings. When the "charging mode" is on "float" it starts to send power out to the grid, as the batteries are full. The "full view" of the software has sufficient toys for the geekiest geek to play with.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j245/saxeharp/house/dataview_zps66c15705.jpg

I commenced my electronics apprenticeship in January 1965. It's now January 2015. It took me a while, but I finally got to where I wanted to be.

Joe Blake
30th January 2015, 23:03
An update.

There's been no move yet to either upgrade or replace the older inverter to take advantage of the "extra" power from the older panels. However, it may be that this is unnecessary.

Performance: Since 24 Dec 2014 I've exported 106 kWh and imported 5. Although there has been a string of days above 40 degrees C, the inside temperature of the house has slowly risen to a maximum of 29 degrees C.

I have not as yet received a bill from Synergy, our electricity utility, but our billing cycle of roughly 60 days means I won't receive a bill until roughly 18-20 Feb. Interestingly, in going to the utility's website, in the last few months they've started giving statistics (very basic) and it seems that in my "area" (undefined) the average consumer's daily consumption is 18.8 kWh! And I imported 4 over 4 weeks. If I calculate my "savings" based upon the "standard" tariff (27.14 cents per unit) rather than the time of use tariff, then I'm saving $5 a day, compared to the average user. :D Wow. (My spreadsheet shows that all of my own import of power was during "high shoulder", where the unit cost is 26.5 cents per unit.)

During this week just past there has been a series of thunderstorms which at one stage took roughly 27,000 houses off the grid. My neighbouring suburb apparently was affected, but not mine. And in this morning's weekend paper was an article describing how during the past week, almost ONE FIFTH of the interlinked generating capacity was forced off line due to unexpected events. It seems to be collapsing around us.

In my previous post I posited that the power handled by the old inverter was not charging the batteries. However, I have to retract that, and chastise myself because I didn't perform the most basic calculation. :blink:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j245/saxeharp/house/dataview_zps66c15705.jpg

This graphic shows one of the pages of the many that I can access from the software, and it says plainly that in the third column from the left headed "DC" there are two sets of figures, "battery voltage" and "battery current" (27.1 and 68.8 respectively). If I'd multiplied these two figures I would have seen that power at that moment was 1864 watts, whereas in the fifth column AC Solar, it shows that there is only ONE set of panels generating power (1.27 kW). So this means the battery is charging at a rate of 1.86 kW. Further the second column AC Load Power shows zero, even though there are loads extant, such as computer, lights, 240 volt refrigerator, DVD/TV etc, so the old inverter is handling those loads (which I noted previously), but also sending excess power into the batteries.

I'm still working my way through the manual and discovering what different sets of figures mean. The weather today has been completely cloudy yet the battery state of charge as risen from 62% this morning to 91.5% at 13:00 hours. Bodes well for winter, especially since I won't be needing to use the air cooler or any artificial heating.

Watch this space. :idea:

Rob Beckers
31st January 2015, 09:23
Joe, does that mean you're getting 1.27kW in from the panels, and your inverter is generating 1.95kW (bottom of third column) for the loads, the difference coming out of the batteries? How does it decide whether to use grid power or batteries for powering loads? Is it based on the state-of-charge?

B.t.w. I still owe you a "virtual tour" of the new building. You should call me up on Skype and I'll show you around (I've finally loaded Skype on my cellphone, so I can walk around and transmit video).

-RoB-

Joe Blake
4th February 2015, 20:20
I haven't worked that far into the manual as yet. The software has a very comprehensive on-screen context help function for each page. It's a bit hard to read unless you click on the "view image" feature, which will zoom it up quite nicely.

I'm hoping that Ian Milne from Avant Solar, who are the suppliers/installers will be visiting me to do some upgrading in the next couple of days, so I'll try to remember to ask him what it does.

From this graphic below you can see that when I did the screen cap, the column headed AC Solar (Powador) shows my "east" array (ie the one which is being managed by the Selectronic box) is generating 890 watts. Although I have two Kaco inverters, only one is being managed by the Selectronic box. In the column headed DC, it shows that the Battery Current is 47.5 Amps. This is a measure of the current going INTO the battery, and below that is the inverter current which matches showing same figure (but negative) going OUT of the inverter.

So multiplying Battery voltage (26.4v) by Battery Current shows a total power of 1254 watts going into the battery at that moment. 1254 watts minus 890 watts gives an excess of 364 watts, which it seems is coming from the "west array" which is NOT being managed by the Selectronic box.

In column 2, AC Load Power, this shows that there is a load of 0.00 kW, although there ARE loads being drawn, such as the 240 volt fridge, my computer with screen and modem and small drains, such as standby for various items. So it seems that "invisible" load is being carried by the west array, and the excess is going into my batteries, or back into the grid, once the Battery SoC is 100% on float.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j245/saxeharp/general12/readout_zpsgh4uegbu.jpg

I'll be glad to take advantage of your guided tour, and if we can work our timings right, I can reciprocate because I likewise have Skype on my tablet, so I can walk around the house and show you stuff.:D (My time zone is 8 hours ahead of UTC.)

Ain't technology marvelous?

Joe

Joe Blake
9th October 2015, 01:14
If I wasn't sitting on a "saddle stool" at my computer work station, I'd be leaning back in my chair and putting my feet on the desk. I think I am now able to well and truly stamp "complete" on my project (barring breakdowns - touch wood).

I finally decided that, as an old age pensioner, with no dependents, I am not going to need to save my money, so I decided to spend up big and buy a new Kaco inverter (KACO Powador 2002), to replace the old Kaco Powador 150xi inverter which output could not be managed by the new smart inverter (Selectronic SP PRO).

I decided that, since I was going to have Ian from Avant Solar here anyway, I'd add a 24 volt shunt so that I could either use 24 v DC (say a camping freezer) directly from the big batteries, or put an external output into the batteries if needs be.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j245/saxeharp/General14/patiofinal02_zpsafmp0dvq.jpg

The photo shows the completed system, with the new Kaco on the right, and the shunt on the left down low.

In my previous posts I commented about the manual and how comprehensive it was. I've worked my way through it (with assistance from Ian at Avant Solar) and have learned a few tricks.

As well as functions I've mentioned previously, such as telling the inverter where I want the power to go, I have been able to program the smart box to (a) immediately begin charging the batteries from the grid - eg A huge storm appears on the radar and I need to have extra power in the batteries in case the grid goes down; (b) have the batteries charge overnight (at off-peak rates, ie 13.18 cents per kWh instead of 50.7 cents per kWh during on-peak). I can set the start up level of state of charge and cut off at pre-determined levels. If necessary I can charge the batteries to over 98% of charge, and then have them go onto float so when the sun comes up (the off-peak period finishes at 7:00 am) they will have a high SoC. In winter this means if there is not much sun I can boost the solar hot water system with power at the cheapest rate.

This graph shows my power status since the batteries and smart box were installed, with power generated, exported to and imported from the grid day by day. (This is as at yesterday's date - ie 8 October 2015.)

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j245/saxeharp/General14/impvexpvgen_zpsbgrmxohe.jpg

So what have I achieved? I wished to have this system up and running before the coming hot weather at the end of 2015. Well, even as I'm writing this the outside temperature is 38 degrees Centigrade while in the house it is 21.5 degrees C. The system is carrying the cooling load easily (the cooler is drawing 1.38 kW while the panels are generating 2.10 kW.) The batteries are charged to 100% and on float, the panels have so far today generated 11.7 kWh and exported 2.0 kWh and it's still only 14:00 hours. This is the second hot day of the season, so I got it done by the skin of my teeth. But no doubt in Dec/ Jan/ Feb the temperature will be heading for the mid 40's, so that will be the true test. I think it'll work.

Interesting sideline, costs. I wrote in my previous posts that my first Kaco Powador (150xi) cost $AUD 2,275 (2009) , my first Kaco Powador 2002 $AUD 1,600 (June 2013) and a duplicate 2002 (October 2015) $AUD 1,200.

I have to say that while long and relatively expensive, beginning in 2009, this project has met or exceeded my best expectations. Looking at the graph of my power import and export, it would not be advisable for me to commit to go totally off-grid without further development, but the graph shows only about 20 or so days since December 2014 when I've had to import a reasonable amount of power. I should note here that probably half of the days where I've imported power it was done as a discretionary thing, not required, just being safe.

Joe Blake
9th October 2015, 03:36
Joe, does that mean you're getting 1.27kW in from the panels, and your inverter is generating 1.95kW (bottom of third column) for the loads, the difference coming out of the batteries? How does it decide whether to use grid power or batteries for powering loads? Is it based on the state-of-charge?

B.t.w. I still owe you a "virtual tour" of the new building. You should call me up on Skype and I'll show you around (I've finally loaded Skype on my cellphone, so I can walk around and transmit video).

-RoB-

Hi Rob, I've not forgotten your question, but hopefully I can give you a reasonable answer.

Looking at the graphic below you will see that in the column headed "AC Coupled Solar" the total power being generated by both sets of panels (#1 is on the East roof and #2 is on the West) is 0.82 kW. In the second column AC Load power there is the total load for the entire house (including cooler). This is 1.42 kW, so in the third column, DC, there is -24.6 Amps coming from the battery (which has SoC 98.4%) to make up the shortfall of power. (That would be a positive figure if the batteries were still being charged and the total power generated was more than the load.)

If the total AC Coupled Solar power coming from the panels was MORE than say 1.42 kW, then the batteries would have been (as they were earlier) 100% SoC, on float, and any excess power would be going to the grid and show up in Column AC Source, as a negative figure.

Does that help you?

And I would still like to have a tour of your office, but probably it will be snowed in soon. :blink1:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j245/saxeharp/General14/newinverters_zps5ua52qwl.jpg