20" wheel

[Terry Rigney]

I have a 20" wheel that I am running a v-belt around it and two alternators. I have a 250watt motor to run the wheel. I will use a 12vdc powersupply to run the motor. I have a 2400watt inverter that I will connect to alternators. I should get more watts out than I put in. If this does not work I will try a three foot wheel. I should get plenty of step up on the turns. Has anybody ever tried this before? I want to lower my electric bill. Any feed back I would be greatful.:cool:
Thank's
Terry

[Rob Beckers]

Hi Terry,

Do I understand correctly that you're planning to drive the wheel from a motor, then use an alternator that's running off of the same wheel to create the energy to drive the wheel?

I'm afraid that won't work too well. Where would the energy come from that makes up for all the losses along the way (motor inefficiency, wiring losses, bearing losses, air friction, alternator inefficiency)? Not to mention the extra energy you plan to extract on the alternator end that wouldn't go back into driving the wheel. What you're trying to make is called a 'perpetuum mobile' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion) (in Latin), and is one of those things that unfortunately cannot exist.

-Rob-

[Mark Parsons]

Greetings Terry,

As Rob says, finding over unity in pure mechanical motion is a very unlikely result.

Here is some recent research that may offer a over unity energy opportunity. Although, what is now known as over unity may become simply explainable with a slightly revised physics model.
http://www.kedroncorp.com/edenproject.html

Check out the complete research report and see if any flaws exist in the conclusions drawn from the data. I haven't found any. Of course, the data itself may be flawed.

Is this the same non-intuitive concept that Steorn stumbled across? http://www.steorn.com/

Regards,
Mark

[Terry Rigney]

Thank you for the great advice. I will be getting the 12vdc from a powersupply that will be pluged into the grid. When the wheel turns one time the two alternators should turn ten times. I think that might make up for any loss. The wheel I am useing is a bike wheel. I will use a bike chain to turn the wheel.Thank's
Terry:confused:

[Mark Ebert]

I have a 20" wheel that I am running a v-belt around it and two alternators. I have a 250watt motor to run the wheel. I will use a 12vdc powersupply to run the motor. I have a 2400watt inverter that I will connect to alternators. I should get more watts out than I put in. If this does not work I will try a three foot wheel. I should get plenty of step up on the turns. Has anybody ever tried this before? I want to lower my electric bill. Any feed back I would be greatful.:cool:
Thank's
Terry

Hi Terry
It would work if you use wind to drive the wheel.Im using a 3 ft wheel with many poles on a vawt.(not done yet)

There is no way, no matter how you rig it to get more out than you put in Without using ma nature to help, shes got power in her.

If you pedaled the bike wheel you might come out a couple hundred watts ahead.