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Paul Camilli
19th September 2016, 11:53
I'm running a 3.2kW 'grid tied' wind turbine on an 'off grid' system and on the whole it's worked very well. My system uses and SMA SI 6.0H inverter/charger but with the frequency shifting function disabled. For the first year I used an SMA WB6000 GTI in my own 'mini grid'. This worked really well, apart from the SMA's inability to harvest any energy below 240VDC and it's 'long winded' reconnection procedure.

For the last six months or so I've been using an Aurora PowerOne 3.6TL and it's 'streets ahead' of the SMA, easy to program and capable of sapping energy from the gentlest of breezes. Now, I never expected this inverter to 'sit well' with my Lister generator as it was never designed for doing so. However, when I tried it, it did!!! and it was quite happy feeding into my 'island' with the generator running.

Having said that, I only ever tried it for a few minutes at a time as we've plenty of energy from our solar, wind an hydro. Well the days are getting shorter now and yesterday the batteries were only at 75% at the end of the day. So, as wifey still needed to do some washing, ironing and showering I fired up the generator for 2 hours.

The house is 'all electric' so that requires quite a few kWh and I didn't want to take the batteries any lower. Sure enough, when I fired up the Lister I kept an eye on the Aurora until the transfer switched closed and sure enough it continued to keep feeding the wind energy into my grid. Two hours later with the batteries at 93% I went to shut the genny down and still the Aurora was connected, having produced a couple of kWh in the meantime.

Unfortunately once the transfer switch opened it 'dropped the grid' and would not reconnect. Error message saying Frequency out of range 50.99Hz and it just would not reconnect.

Out came the laptop and I connected up using the Administrator password and sure enough it tells me that the frequency upper limit is 50.49Hz. Now, I'm sure I'd altered this in the past to widen the parameters. However last night it would not let me alter anything other than the 'island' enable or disable setting.

After a few hours the frequency on the SMA SI dropped to 49.99Hz and the Aurora connected. I'm just wondering if there is some kind of time limit on the Admin password and puzzled why the parameters appeared to have returned to the default settings.

Cheers, Paul

Paul Camilli
20th September 2016, 02:45
Last night I downloaded the data from the SI's SD card and it looks quite interesting.

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd170/camillitech/Hz2_zpsee6xdhle.png

You can see from the graph that the generator starts at 18:29. The frequency is quite stable from the generator and so the Aurora remains connected. The current then goes up as the genny starts to charge, the spikes are the immersion heater coming on.

The generator stops at 20:37, the SI's frequency rises to 50.99 for an hour and so the Aurora will not reconnect. Not a major issue as the 'Wind Interface' takes care of the excess and the turbine is quite happy to run 'off load' anyway. Just kinda puzzled why I cannot widen the frequency parameters anymore.

Cheers, Paul

Rob Beckers
21st September 2016, 18:04
Paul, something strange going on here: The Aurora inverter is supposed to stay connected between 59.38 ... 60.42 Hz. So, with the numbers you mention the inverter shouldn't disconnect at all.

By the way, it's rare that any gridtie inverter will connect to the 'grid' from a generator. Generally those are too unstable and not well enough regulated. Your genny seems to be the exception (at least in part)!

-RoB-

Paul Camilli
23rd September 2016, 15:30
Paul, something strange going on here: The Aurora inverter is supposed to stay connected between 59.38 ... 60.42 Hz. So, with the numbers you mention the inverter shouldn't disconnect at all.

By the way, it's rare that any gridtie inverter will connect to the 'grid' from a generator. Generally those are too unstable and not well enough regulated. Your genny seems to be the exception (at least in part)!

-RoB-

Hi Rob,

it's a 50Hz model and drops out at 50.49Hz so that spell at 50.99 is just too high for it. Anyway, I've sussed that problem (OK someone sussed it for me :-) ). The SMA SI series inverters alter frequency to 'throttle back' any attached SMA GTI's. Well, I disabled that function when I bought the thing as I wanted to 'use every last electron' :) Thing is, they have another function that's designed to stabilize clocks called AfraEna. Basically it alters the frequency slightly over a period of time to compensate so that clocks and timers 'keep time'. It's German logic says 'enable' on the screen when it actually means 'enabled' :sad2: I thought I'd turned it off when I'd actually turned it on. So, when you look at the graph the generator was running stable but slightly low, the SI's brain then raised the frequency for an hour to compensate for this :evil:

Still puzzled though why the parameters seem to have defaulted to the factory settings, I'm sure I widened them. Now I can't seem to alter them, even using the higher level password, is there a time limit on it?

Cheers, Paul