Perpetual electric Generator concept

[Ronald Bolivar Chua]

Sequential turbine launch
1)Sealing the lock port
2)flooding the vacuum chamber
3)filling the reservoir
4)water pump and pump channel vacuum seal
5)water exit port

6)water accumulates in first collection unit, as sufficient weight is generated gravity sends the unit downwards and spins a turbine/dc motor
7)the water descends to next collection unit, then recoils back to staring position
8)the process occurs over and over again until the water is in the reservior again.
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[Rob Beckers]

Ronald, help me out, you're proposing a mechanism where buckets fill with water, gravity sends them down, the downward motion runs a pump, and pumps up water to fill the next bucket? If so, where is the energy coming from to run this??

There are lots of losses in a system as proposed, so you'll be pumping up less water than was moved downwards with gravity, and less, and less.... Until it all comes to a halt...

Or am I missing something?

-RoB-

[Ronald Bolivar Chua]

Ronald, help me out, you're proposing a mechanism where buckets fill with water, gravity sends them down, the downward motion runs a pump, and pumps up water to fill the next bucket? If so, where is the energy coming from to run this??

There are lots of losses in a system as proposed, so you'll be pumping up less water than was moved downwards with gravity, and less, and less.... Until it all comes to a halt...

Or am I missing something?

-RoB-
No, the downward motion runs a turbine, while a pump (buoy/pump not illustrated) continues to pump the water through the channel.
The “bucket” is not a completely sealed vessel but rather once sent down, the water may spill out the back and fill the next “bucket”.:)

[Rob Beckers]

OK, thanks Ronald!
So you understand this won't work, right? You're continuously loosing energy in this system, if nothing else, from sloshing water around and turning kinetic energy into heat (plus pumps not having 100% efficiency, nor generators, etc.).

-RoB-

[Ronald Bolivar Chua]

OK, thanks Ronald!
So you understand this won't work, right? You're continuously loosing energy in this system, if nothing else, from sloshing water around and turning kinetic energy into heat (plus pumps not having 100% efficiency, nor generators, etc.).

-RoB-

Thanks for the input, it’s just a concept among a few I’ve been thinking of. I was thinking that the vacuum generated would provide constant flow. But i will keep at the idea.

[Ronald Bolivar Chua]

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The vacuum run until the gravity pump reservoir is filled...

[Ronald Bolivar Chua]

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Vacuum/gravity pump

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Water vessel turbine


The vacuum/gravity pump seems to work for a while, but I do not know if it will keep pressure perpetually... Creating a greater pressure at the top would work, but pressure would come out like a bullet...

[Rob Beckers]

Ronald, your ideas seem to center around using vacuum to lift water "for free", and then use that water to generate energy. However, it doesn't quite work that way. You can't make that lifted water flow out again from the top without loosing your vacuum, and re-establishing the vacuum (with a pump or otherwise) will overall take much more energy than you'll ever get out of dropping that water.

Unfortunately any time you use the words 'perpetual' and 'energy' in the same sentence there's bound to be a problem.

-RoB-

[Ronald Bolivar Chua]

Ronald, your ideas seem to center around using vacuum to lift water "for free", and then use that water to generate energy. However, it doesn't quite work that way. You can't make that lifted water flow out again from the top without loosing your vacuum, and re-establishing the vacuum (with a pump or otherwise) will overall take much more energy than you'll ever get out of dropping that water.

Unfortunately any time you use the words 'perpetual' and 'energy' in the same sentence there's bound to be a problem.

-RoB-


Wouldn’t the pressure created by a larger reservoir on the top appear as if the reservoir flipped over? Wouldn’t gravity now appear to go the other way? I thought that starting a vacuum from the ground to the top reservoir would continuously work if the pressure system at the top was greater than the flow. As long as the line of—- “pressure in the tanks remain level. Adding a choke point from the level area above the exit point/points may seal the flow with gravity? I’m still new at this mechanical engineering stuff. Thanks again, I just don’t want to believe that free electricity can’t be created...

[Ronald Bolivar Chua]

Yes you were correct, a drop in water level would still occu. So I added a pump done mechanically on the turbine launches. Seems like it may work, also keeping the water level up.

Thanks

General idea...
With pump lines
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Pump with magnetic reset

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