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Stewart Corman
3rd June 2008, 16:30
I am Ohms law challeged , but I pick up enough to be dangerous.

Was talking to my electronics Guru George about a controller scheme for my wind turbine, and he gave me some good ideas. Primarily it was his conclusion that even tho the PM servo gives high voltage 3 phase wild AC, that the best option is to transmit juice to the house using three strands, but immediately convert to DC and go from there. We are looking at using a PWM scheme to keep unloaded until a certain voltage is obtained, then increase the PWM until full load is applied at nominal operating point ...details will follow later, as I have several interested parties evaluating the specifics and I am looking for feedback. But I digress ......

The conversation switched to the 1/3hp AC squirrel blower in my hot air furnace ducting ...George claimed that these AC motors have pitiful efficiency in the range of 30% and to replace with a DC motor would be >2x improvement. I know that the motor is rated at 115v/5.5amp, but admittedly I need to attach the Kill-A-Watt to see what it is really cranking at the pulley rotation currently used. When I burn firewood, this circulation blower is on about 12hr/day.

Once I procure a DC motor, then the PWM scheme above could be a low loss means to drive the DC motor and possibly slow it down as well.
I was planning on measuring the rpm of the current setup and matching that rpm with the DC motor to see the energy benefit as read on the Kill-A-Watt. Then see how much juice is saved at reduced rpm.

Any comments and experience would be appreciated.

Stew Corman from sunny Endicott

Paul Bailey
3rd June 2008, 20:35
Yes Run the 3-Phase wild AC In as far as you can before converting /rectifying to DC. It will be a nice linear output curve on each Phase and the current will increase accordingly with the voltage,. So size the wiring for your distance and the AMPS and your good to go. Now that furnace fan issue, Are you wanting to directly connect to the DC motor and have the output of the windmill run it after the 3-Phase is rectified to DC???? Yes this will work ( but the servos could go to at least 400V if it was to peak in RPM) but whats going to run this in no wind and why are you looking at this???. Start looking into ECM/ Freq. drive replacement fan assemblies for the furnace. we'll talk other options later. IN these days its good to think outside the box!!! Paul:) ( Stew I re-read the post and I think I'm confused on what your trying to do here) What would be nice here is Variable speed/proportional control of the furnace fan based on the firebox temperature. That alone is a big WIN for energy savings in almost all fan applications.

Stewart Corman
4th June 2008, 07:42
Paul,
Thanks for your response and let me clarify for simplicity:
I am making NO attempt to run the circulator blower from the wind turbine output ...it will be totally from the grid 115v AC

It just happens to be that the circuitry for both are very similar and I can experiment indoors with something low power, stable ie fixed input and fixed output.
I have hooked up a 555 IC timer to make a PWM before, but Guru George claims that a voltage controlled LM339 comparator works even better:
http://www.national.com/an/AN/AN-74.pdf pg 22

BTW, I see the following power components on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Diode-Bridge-Rectifier-60A-1200V-Model-60MT120KB_W0QQitemZ180249365686QQihZ008QQcategoryZ 73142QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/FUJI-EVK71-050-75A-500V-POWER-TRANSISTOR-MODULE_W0QQitemZ170225376409QQihZ007QQcategoryZ363 31QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

the above are similar to hardware I have obtained and needed for a turbine controller

Stew Corman from sunny Endicott