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Ric Murphy
5th November 2008, 07:39
Thought some of you might find this story interesting......
Earlier this year I made a concerted effort to maximize the output & utilization of my wind/solar electric system while reducing where possible our overall household usage. Here in Ontario where I live they only read the meter quarterly. Month 1 & 2 are estimates (based on the previous years consumption) and month 3 is an actual based on the difference between meter readings minus amount paid in month 1 & 2. So I anxiously waited for our first “actual” bill and was pleasantly surprised back in Sept when I got a bill that showed I only used 24 kwh's for the month which works out to $1.20. Keep in mind I was over charged for the previous 2 months so I really used more than I was billed for. However my bill was for a total of $27.48. That works out to $1.15/kwh compared to a typical bill which averages between $.14-$.15/kwh. So although I have reduced my amount of purchased electricity by approx 1/3 from last year I now pay almost a 10x increase in my price/kwh every 3rd month....some incentive. So yesterday I rec'd my 2nd estimated bill for the this quarter. Here's what it showed:
Month 1 estimated reading – 3274 (Sept 11)
Month 2 estimated reading – 4275 (Oct 10)
Difference = 1001 kwh's
Amount of bill $142.46/1001 kwh's = $.142/kwh
Out of curiosity I read the meter this morning (Nov 5th ) at 4001 kwh. So with approx only 5 days left until they read it again, I've already paid for more than I will likely use in this quarter!

Here in Ontario we have a 2 tier billing system. Right now we're charged $.05/kwh for the first 600 kwh's and $.059 for everything above 600 kwh's. So that got me thinking that since my 1st 2 bills each quarter are estimates (which are showing higher than actual usage) I'm being charged for the additional usage at the higher rate. So not only am I paying Hydro One in advance for some of my electricity, I'm also paying a higher rate both on the estimated bill and the actual. Again a very good incentive to reduce wouldn't you say? I got looking at my Sept bill (the low one) and I found a $4.92 credit classified as “Estimated Bill Adjustment”. There is no explanation as to what this credit is but I have to assume that Hydro One recognizes the overcharge/kwh for the estimated bills and credits me accordingly on the actual. I'll have to see if I can confirm that and how they calculate the credit.

Earlier this year my old meter was replaced with the new “Smart Meter”. Ontario plans to implement “time of use” billing at some point in the future which will eliminate the above issues. In addition, since the bulk of my electricity production is during peak usage and the bulk of my consumption is during off peak times I would expect to see additional reductions in my cost of electricity. By the way I've noticed that the new digital Smart Meter has a light up display so it is consuming power 24/7. Likely not much but certainly more that the old one!!!

Ric

Paul Bailey
5th November 2008, 14:32
Hi Rick: My bill calculates out to about the $0.14 cents/KWH as well with the taxes in, and not that long ago it was 6 cents, so things are going up. I think rate increases here in Ontario have been approved for 10% and the OFF peak rates are going up 25% and were not even rolled out yet for time of use but its on its way real soon.IF your not OFF GRID all you can do is chase those Killowatts down,reduce or eliminate them or supplement with some renewables as your already doing. Lets not complain too much there are some paying $0.58 cents a Killawatt !!!!!! Ouch:mad:

Ralph Day
5th November 2008, 16:33
Hi Ric
Before going off grid my usage was about 7kwh per day. Hydro one wanted me to wait for the billing cycles to catch up with the change in usage...right. They are able to change your daily estimate amount with a computer keystroke...but you have to insist. They don't mind having your money to play with for those estimated months.

If you are very certain of your daily usage (by reading your meter regularly) ask them to make the daily estimate something over that number to keep them happy. 14 per day usual...suggest 20 then call them back in a couple of months to change to an even closer number. SWhen you can validate your consumption they should change without objection.

Good Luck.

Ralph

Ric Murphy
6th November 2008, 07:23
Hi Guys
Paul,
I realize we have some of the most reasonable electricity rates in the world. I'm sure that's due to generation capacity here in Ontario. I live about 10 minutes from the new Greenfield Energy gas fired plant (1005MW) and the coal fired Lambton Generation Station (1976MW) is just another 5 minutes north of that. The Detroit Edision plant is across the river from Lambton Generation Station. Both north and south of me there are literally 100's of new commercial wind turbines with more being erected everyday. Last week I went by the new 30MW solar farm in Sarnia. What a sight that is. My son commented just last week about the amount of land required for the different technologies. Seems the number of acres/MW for wind & solar is much higher than coal, nuclear or hydro. I frequently read stories about people installing RE system in countries where there is either no grid, unstable voltage or intermittant supply so we really are fortunate here
Ralph,
Thanks for the info regarding getting the estimated bills lowered. I'm reluctant to say too much though since my system was never inspected or approved. Although I'm not grid tied, I'm sure they would have a number of issues. Sooner or later the problem will work itself out. Having no bill every 3rd month is ok for now.
Ric

Ric Murphy
6th December 2008, 09:04
Well I rec'd my next bill this week which was an actual and after a quick look could not make head nor tails out of it. My last bill had an estimated meter reading of 4275. The actual bill this week had a reading of 4123 so I had already paid for more than I had used and was curious to see how this bill would be calculated. After a call to Hydro One for an explanation, it seems their computer will not accept an actual reading that is lower than the previous months estimate. So when that happens they will cancel your last bill out of their system and go back to the estimate from the previous month and generate a "revised" bill. In this case I owe them $10.44 (basically a free month). With the fixed monthly portion of the delivery charge, this amount is not out of line with what I expected. Now I'm trying to find out what the fixed portion of the delivery charge actually is. I know it must be somewhere on their website but so far I can't find it.

I've also found out that Hydro One will allow customers to call in their meter readings and avoid estimates altogether. I think I should start doing that next month (assuming I can remember!!!)
Ric

Ralph Day
6th December 2008, 11:43
Hi Ric
I guess you aren't backfeeding the grid (some do without permission etc). I'd like to know if the smart meters actually increment when power is put back into the grid. Easy to check, just shut off all house breakers but the one backfeeding and see if it increments as power goes in or just stays at non-consuming number. (I bet they increment). This is probably why Hydro One never bothered to chase down the non-conforming grid tied people...they knew they'd get them in the end with smart meters (sure, put power in the grid and pay us for the privilege.).

Before cutting the umbilicul from HO we had one of those 2in1 bills where the useage was less than the estimate. It confused me some, but it was nice to know that it messed up HO's accounting too:) That's when i got them to make my estimate lower. Never tried the phone in meter read...sounds like a good solution.

Ralph

Ric Murphy
8th December 2008, 06:36
Ralph,
If I had a grid tie inverter I'd try it. It would solve some of my other problems too!
Ric